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My Delegate Analysis

by: David Dayen

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:16:26 AM PST


Obama actually had an excellent overnight.  He kept contact in several districts, won enough in CA-09 for a 4-2 split, and I don't think CA-50 and CA-53 are worth calling yet until we see where the final votes are coming from; he's basically in the same position he was in CA-01.  My approximations on delegates show that Clinton will win between 31 and 37 more delegates out of California.  At one point last night it looked like 50-60.  

(Those are slightly different than Caligirl's numbers, based on late-breaking numbers for Obama.)

My initial analysis wasn't all that off except for one key area: Clinton was able to get 3-1 splits in 8 key districts, almost all of them heavily Latino: CA-18, CA-21, CA-31 (hey, great job, Obama surrogate Xavier Becerra!), CA-32, CA-34, CA-38, CA-39 (awesome, Obama surrogate Linda Sanchez!), and CA-43.  If Obama got enough votes in those districts to keep it close, and I mean a scant 35%, he would have basically been even or down by 5-7 delegates.

Those are districts that are dominated by Spanish-language media, that are in Los Angeles and Riverside and San Bernardino and Orange counties.  They would be uniquely difficult to organize at the precinct level, and Clinton won based on paid media and name ID and connection to the Clinton policies of the past.  Clinton's huge Asian vote probably helped as well, at least in CA-39.  I also overestimated the value of endorsers like Becerra and Linda Sanchez and Adam Schiff.  Congressmen don't necessarily have a machine to get out votes.

I should also mention that Charlie Cook did very well.

Hillary Clinton was up by a whole lot in this race and she ended up winning by single digits (about 9.5%).  Given her early voting lead, depending on how many voted by mail she may have won by as little as 5% on Election Day.  But she took the districts where she had a natural advantage strongly.

On the Republican side, John McCain won around 49 districts, Mitt Romney 4.  Unbelievable.

UPDATE: Frank Russo notes something very important:

Of the 6.3 million ballots counted for Presidential candidates, 63% or over 4 million were cast in the Democratic primary and only 32% or 2.3 million and counting were cast in the Republican primary. Democrats and decline to state a party voters who participated in the Democratic primary far outperformed normal voting patterns in California. Democrats hold a 10 point margin in voter registration over Republicans in this state and decline to state voters account for 19% of registrations. There is a 31% spread between the Democratic primary vote here and the Republican primary vote.

That's extremely impressive, and a good harbinger for November.  Russo also says there are as many as a million absentee votes that have yet to be counted, so these numbers could still move, which means delegates could shift as well.

...In addition, there are tens of thousands of votes caught up in the double bubble trouble, so the margin of victory could plausibly shrink to 8 or even 7.

David Dayen :: My Delegate Analysis
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sigh (0.00 / 0)
I really wish Obama himself had actually campaigned in the state. The rule has been, universally, that the more exposure he gets the better. If we got even 1/100 of the candidate time that Iowa got, he would have had a crushing victory.

The primary calendar sucks.


You want (0.00 / 0)
to know how Field got this wrong?  Their turnout model, normally spot on was very much off.  

They expected 8.9 million.  Even if there are really 1 million ballots to be counted that would still be 1.6 million less than expected.  Obama broke late and under the larger calculations of turnout, they expected him to do better than he did.


More (0.00 / 0)
And you wanna know why their turnout model was off ?

BEcause black voters were only 6% of the electorate - DOWN from 2004 but Latino voteres were 29% - TWICE what was expected.

I hate to say it but that's the unreported story of the night. What prompted so many latinos to vote this time ?

Other surprised: how possibly could have Obama LOST the youth vote in CA ?

Goes on to show I still don't understand the state I live in


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It was the Latino (0.00 / 0)
vote.  We have huge numbers of young Latinos of voting age.

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I'm not at all sure that there aren't more votes and that it is in line with 8.9 million (0.00 / 0)
First of all, there could be more than 1 million more to count.

Secondly, there are DTS voters who didn't vote on a presidential ballot--probably something like 80% of DTSers who could be over 10% of the overall turnout and also some of the "minor" party voters as well.

These numbers are pretty squishy.


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Was our Primary too early?? (0.00 / 0)
One thing I have to wonder is that did we move our primary too far up the calendar for this year?  Here it is, the day after Super Tuesday and both candidates are going strong and looking to pick up delegates from the other states.  Between now and the convention, how many times are they going to come back to California except to visit the ATM?  

Yes, we got a decent look at them, and a voice in the Super Tuesday mess, but how different would it have been if we were voting on a day when no other state was holding their Primary and the nomination was still up for grabs?


looking back (0.00 / 0)
Texas and Ohio made the right choice of moving to March.  They're going to pick the nominee IMO.

But that's hindsight.


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It's rather exceptional (0.00 / 0)
Really, I mean who would have expected two strong candidacies with so much money rolling along after Super Tuesday?

I really hope we use this as an opportunity to highlight the differences b/w us and the Republicans rather than messing with each other. I liked the LoveFest Debate, and hope we see more of those.

Well, that was fun... Brian Leubitz


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Members of Congress (0.00 / 0)
I don't think endorsements from Members of Congress do a lot to boost turnout, even in their districts.  Sure, people may take note when the endorsement happens, but unless the Rep. then backs that by then doing a lot on the ground, it doesn't seem to matter a lot.  I think this is even more true in situations, like this election, when there is a high degree of voter awareness about the candidates.  

Also, I would guess MoCs don't put a lot of effort into getting their own networks to do GOTV stuff, and there are only so many people one person can reach.

For what its worth, there are other districts around the state that voted the opposite of their Rep's endorsement


The Asian Pacific Islander American vote (8.00 / 3)
was completely underestimated (and for future reference, can we call it Asian American or Asian Pacific Islander or APIA, etc.?) I think APIA voters had a huge impact in areas like CA-29, where folks like Schiff don't have specific programs targeting APIA constituencies.  Although everything else in this post was great, I disagree with DDay's analysis of CA 39, where APIAs numbers are smaller and large populations of South Asian and Japanese American voters tend to register Republican anyhow.  

On another note, it was interesting to see that exit polling in CA featured numbers for the Black vote and APIAs, who have similar voting numbers, were left out of the picture.  


This is absolutely true (0.00 / 0)
I mentioned last night that I was in Little Tokyo in LA over the weekend and there were tons of Hillary signs, so I got a whiff of this but everyone under-represented the turnout.  And you're right about CA-29 and CA-39.

Any idea why you think it broke this way?


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Look at the Latino vote (8.00 / 3)
I think it's a VERY similar trend with the APIA community.  There's Clinton's name ID, historical support of and familiarity with the Clinton and Gore candidacies during a crucial moment in APIA political development, and at its base, ethnic tension amongst immigrant populations still persists.

This is very interesting considering that top APIA electeds threw a lot of support behind Edwards and Obama, including a late endorsement of Obama by Norm Mineta, who was a Clinton appointee.


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Clinton's Team Also Worked For It (8.00 / 2)
Don't assume it was all name recognition.  I made calls for Clinton on several weekends.  They had at least one phone session specifically aimed at targeting Pacific Islanders with tailored talking points.  They also had folks on the ground in hispanic areas yesterday going door to door in addition to phone banking to get out the hispanic vote.  According to an NPR report, Dolores Huerta's people were organizing non-citizens to help get out the vote, saying that while they couldn't vote in the election, that didn't mean they couldn't participate in GOTV efforts.   And I don't think I was ever at the Clinton campaign office when I didn't hear folks working the phones in Spanish.  

But the main thing I heard around Clinton's office, at least from her hispanic supporters, and on the news was the same thing I heard in Nevada - Obama started reaching out to hispanic voters too late.  Huerta said she suspected that many would see his use of "Si se puede" as trying to shorthand a relationship that he hadn't taken the time to build.   Clinton got the early endorsements from people like Villaraigosa and I think the deal was sealed before Obama even started his outreach.  Just as the union endorsement came too late for him in Nevada.  


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Side Note (0.00 / 0)
This is just a side note, not related to either candidate, but during the 2006 cycle the DNC made a decent investment in a pilot program to specifically target and turn out Asian American voters.  It wasn't in California, and I don't know whether anyone from that effort is working with the Clinton campaign, but I suspect that turning out APIA voters is going to be a big theme in some parts of the midwest and south where the demographic can help put Congressional districts and even states in play.  

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DNC AAPI Outreach (0.00 / 0)
I wouldn't say that the DNC AAPI program has rolled out anything in CA, even though the initial meetings have been in San Jose and Las Vegas, so CA attendance was decent.  

Most of the folks who are heavily involved in this effort either work for the DNC, therefore not participating in any campaign.  We had a lot of folks with Edwards too.  


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Honda (0.00 / 0)
Is this something Mike Honda is involved with?

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yes (0.00 / 0)
He's the chair of the DNC AAPI caucus.  

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Don't assume it was all name recognition. (0.00 / 0)
@ BDBlue: Who was assuming it was name recognition?  Name ID HAS to be a factor but I never said it was the primary or decisive factor in APIAs voting for Hillary.  There are numerous factors and I just listed three that would be very impactful in my community.

Also, did you see an APIA program in the Clinton camp?  That would be impressive if it was anywhere nearly as sophisticated as their Latino outreach.  


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Oops (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you thought name recognition was the only reason Clinton won.  I admit that I'm a little touchy on this issue because when Obama wins, it's his great organizing effort, but when Clinton wins it's just name recognition or racism.  And I'm not saying anyone here suggests that about Clinton, I'm talking more about the MSM narrative.

Anyway, as for APIA, not being a Pacific Islander myself, I can't say for sure all that the Clinton campaign did, but I know they did have some targeted outreach because one weekend when I came into the office they had specific APIA talking points all over the place from where they had done phone banking.  I can't remember exactly what the talking points said, but I remember after reading them having the impression they were part of a broader effort.  Whether that impression was right or not, I can't say.  I was impressed, however, that the Clinton people were obviously searching for every vote, trying to target every demo they thought was sympathetic.


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I get that (0.00 / 0)
and I think you're right about organizing efforts, etc.  

However, no one has an APIA program.  As the saying goes, "You can't just go to East LA and eat a taco."  There's a much more sophisticated outreach effort to Latino voters with specific issue development and staff assigned to specific tasks.  

No such thing exists for the APIA community, although population diversity is responsible for lots of this. It'll be interesting to see if something is developed as the general election rolls around.


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Interesting that... (0.00 / 0)
the acronym for "Asian Pacific Islander American" is spelled the exact same way as the capital of Samoa, which happens to be...a Pacific Island![/digression]

My ramblings...

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Pressure on Sanchez and Bacerra (0.00 / 0)
If this thing comes down to super delegates at the convention, I wonder if Loretta Sanchez and Xavier Becerra stick with Obama.  It would be one thing if Clinton had won their district with a bare majority, but how on earth do they explain helping to defeat the candidate chosen by something like 2-1 or 3-1 to their constituents.  

And I'm not asking just because I support Clinton and these two would help her.  It just struck me as I was reading the post that I wouldn't want to be either of these folks in my CD if my vote put Obama over the top at the convention.  I honestly wonder how solid all the super delegates are going to be for either candidate if the other candidate wins their state or CD by a large margin.


numbers will change by convention time (0.00 / 0)
Obama's polling in their district will improve by convention time. If they can point to some polling numbers showing a shift, that should be enough cover.

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Linda Sanchez (0.00 / 0)
I think you mean Linda, Loretta already backs Clinton.

As for changing, I would guess people who have publicly committed will be very reluctant to change b/c it involves going back on their word, and makes them look inconsistent.  I they'll see it as an imagine issue.  


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you can say the same thing (0.00 / 0)
about Maxine Waters and Laura Richardson, Clinton endorsers whose districts went heavy for Obama.  These things tend to even themselves out.

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Yes (0.00 / 0)
I think I acknowledged in my post that this was not just an issue for Obama Super Delegates.  That there would probably be Clinton Super Delegates in the same position.  

I'm not at all sure some of these districts' polls are going to change much.  I don't think African American Californians are going to change their mind about Obama.  Just as I don't think hispanics are going to change their mind about Clinton.  In close districts, I don't think it matters, but in districts with a strong preference, the Super Delegates have got to be uncomfortable at the thought of going against 70-75% of their constituents.  I'm not saying they will change their minds, but I do think that's an uncomfortable position for any elected official to be in.


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my response about polling changing (0.00 / 0)
I should clarify that my comment was predicated on the assumption that Obama wraps this thing up with a clear margin of victory in the pledged delegates before convention time. At the point where we start crowning him the nominee, I think the Dem populace (even Latinos) starts coalescing around him, and so it won't be an issue for the Obama-supporting super delegates.

If things are still super-close come convention time, that makes for a REALLY uncomfortable position for everybody on all sides.

And, FWIW, if Clinton were to wrap it up with a clear margin before convention time, I predict the same thing about her.


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