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Prop 8: Is Complacency Our Worst Enemy? Pessimistic Polls Emerge

by: Brian Leubitz

Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 13:20:36 PM PDT


Two new polls have emerged showing Prop 8 leading. One is a poll commissioned by the No on 8 Committee, the other is from Survey USA:

Earlier polls had shown Proposition 8, which would eradicate the right for same-sex couples to marry in California, trailing by about 5 percentage points. This week, a Lake Research poll paid for by the campaign of 1,051 likely voters showed the proposition winning, with 47 percent saying they supported the measure and 43 percent saying no. The polling period was Sept. 29-Oct. 2. That finding is reinforced by a SurveyUSA poll of 670 likely voters showing the proposition winning 47 percent to 42 percent. That poll was taken Saturday and Sunday. (Boston Edge 10/07/08)

So, can you spot the flaws in these two polls? Well, as somebody who has followed polls for a while and has taken a class or two in statistics, a couple of things jump out. On the Lake Poll, you'd generally like to see the poll completed in three days rather than four. But that's a quibble compared to SUSA taking their poll on a weekend.  A weekend audience will get you a far older, and far more conservative audience.

None of that is to say that we shouldn't be worried.  The article quotes the campaign as blaming two reasons here. First is the massive spending of the Yes campaign, with most of that being from the Mormon community.  It seems the Mormons liked persecution so much that they want to inflict it upon others.  At any rate, Yes is outraising No by about $10 million. That's Bad.  Very Bad.

Which leads us to the "complacency" reason. Specifically, the No on 8 campaign is saying that queer and queer-friendly communities are now expecting to win and are not working and contributing enough to see this thing through.  So people, let's get on this.  

Do you want to do something? Why not Fast 4 Equality? Skip a snack for marriage equality!

Brian Leubitz :: Prop 8: Is Complacency Our Worst Enemy? Pessimistic Polls Emerge
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This is distressing to say the least (8.00 / 1)
I don't think I know a single person voting Yes on this, but I travel in circles that are decidedly young and left-leaning.

Part of what's been driving complacency among people I know is similar- everyone they know seems to already be convinced.

I'm proud to work for Barbara Boxer


Time to step it up! (0.00 / 0)
The poll numbers should be a wake-up call for all of us.  Time to redouble our efforts!

http://www.noonprop8.com

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Time to set aside our qualms (0.00 / 0)
Richard Peterson, the face of the Yes on 8 campaign, is Mormon:

http://www.pepperdine.edu/pepp...

Sonja Eddings Brown, the new spokeswoman for the Yes on 8 campaign, is Mormon:

http://chinoblanco.blogspot.co...

Glen Greener, whose ruminations on the consequences of gay marriage are parroted by Brother Peterson and Sister Brown, is Mormon:

http://justinmclachlan.com/08/...

The largest individual donor group, is Mormon:

http://mormonsfor8.com/

I served as Assistant to the President during my Mormon mission in Brazil.  We are twice as smart, three times as wealthy, and a hundred times more tightly-organized than the Evangelicals who nearly lost the Prop 8 campaign.

Is Mormon influence being given a pass because California's journalists are uneasy about singling out and reporting on a single religious group?

If so, they should note that Peterson & Co. have doubled-down in the second Yes on 8 ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

The Yes on 8 side has now dropped the "religious freedom" argument in favor of the "ick" factor.

The Mormons fronting and running the Yes on 8 campaign have no qualms.  It's time to set ours aside.

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I don't know that it's "qualms" (0.00 / 0)
So much as uncertainty about how to do this effectively. A poorly done attack will backfire quite badly as they'll whine "omg you're attacking our religion!" Suggestions?

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

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somewhere in there (0.00 / 0)
is something about the irony of Mormons standing for traditional marriage.

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I think the real irony (0.00 / 0)
is that Mormons are, almost within living memory, members of a persecuted minority.  And even today, most of the the leaders of the Evangelical and Catholic groups in the fight to deprive gay people of the right to marry view Mormons as heretical cultists, and barely tolerate them except for matters of political expediency.

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Suggestion for the No on 8 campaign: (0.00 / 0)
When the No on 8 campaign speaks to the media, they should take a harder tack than this:

"I don't think we have ever seen a single religion in the state . . . so significantly participate in one political campaign."

Rather, the No on 8 campaign needs to say that we have seen similar LDS efforts in other states, but this time around the church is tapping its members to make the contributions in order to avoid the appearance of the church inserting itself directly into state politics.

When Knights of Columbus or Focus On The Family makes a large donation, one recognizes these names and one knows immediately what they stand for.

Ten years ago, the LDS Church suffered some bad publicity when they gave 500K (out of 600K raised total) to an Alaskan effort to pass a same sex marriage ban.

That's right, an out of state church organization gave 83% of the funds to promote a ballot measure in Alaska. While legal, the donation gave many the impression that an out of state religious entity was trying to manipulate an election in Alaska.

Having learned this lesson in Alaska, the LDS Church now asks members to donate individually. The result is that few people realized the extent of LDS Church involvement in arm twisting those donations out of the members.

Since most of the LDS donors are not celebrities, few people outside the church realize the extent of the church's involvement. As a California voter, I reserve the right to know the source of all funding for state ballot measures and candidates. And when ten million dollars comes from one particular source, yes the voters have a right to know before they choose.



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