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CA-Gov: Way-Too-Early-Field-Isn't-Even-Set Poll Coverage!

by: Open Thread

Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 18:23:44 PM PST


(Dave here.  I wrote this.  There isn't someone named "Open Thread" who writes the open threads.  The conspiracy of the "guy who forgets to log out of one account and into another" solved!)

Two polls were actually released today on the 2010 California Governor's race.  The Field Poll did an extensive poll of the race, including favorability ratings, and Lake Research, a Democratic firm, did their own poll which included some head-to-head matchups.

Field's poll included Dianne Feinstein and I don't think the results were all that great for her.  In the primary she polls well under 50%, compared to earlier polls which had her closer to that number.

Dianne Feinstein: 38%
Jerry Brown: 16%
Antonio Villaraigosa: 16%
Gavin Newsom: 10%
John Garamendi: 4%
Steve Westly: 2%
Bill Lockyer: 1%
Jack O'Connell: 1%
Undecided: 12%

Considering she's the most well-known figure in California politics, and that there won't be that many competitors in the final field, that's not a runaway at all.  Plus, her net favorables with the electorate (+23) are less than Jerry Brown's (+25), despite her being more well-known (Among just Democrats, her unfavs are slightly higher than Brown's but so are her faves).  If anything, this shows that she would have a tough race, maybe too tough for her to want to try it rather than luxuriate in her position whitewashing Bush's war crimes on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Without DiFi in the race, it's a packed field.  Here's Field's poll:

Jerry Brown: 26%
Antonio Villaraigosa: 22%
Gavin Newsom: 16%
John Garamendi: 8%
Steve Westly: 2%
Bill Lockyer: 2%
Jack O'Connell: 2%
Undecided: 22%

DiFi's votes are, then, basically evenly distributed.  Lake's primary poll (they didn't poll with DiFi) was similar:

Jerry Brown: 27%
Antonio Villaraigosa: 20%
Gavin Newsom: 14%
John Garamendi: 8%
Steve Westly: 3%
Jack O'Connell: 1%
Undecided: 27%

Big undecideds there, and obviously Villaraigosa is benefiting from being the only SoCal candidate in the field, although given his re-election performance he may have some work to do with his southern base.  As for everyone else, there's time, but they're all pretty far back.

The Republican primary?  Nobody's heard of any of the candidates, and the undecideds are off the charts, but it's early.

Meg Whitman: 21%
Tom Campbell: 18%
Steve Poizner: 7%
Undecided: 54%

Surprised to see Campbell that close, but it's probably just name ID; he's run statewide before.  At least 63% of all voters, and at least 67% of Republicans, have no impression whatsoever of any of these candidates.  Their favorables are miniscule.  Given that, Poizner and Whitman will have to spend a lot of their millions just to introduce themselves to the public.

Finally, Lake Research did some (selected) head-to-heads.

Brown: 41%
Poizner: 30%
Undecided: 29%

Brown: 43%
Whitman: 27%
Undecided: 30%

Newsom: 38%
Poizner: 29%
Undecided: 33%

Newsom: 40%
Whitman: 25%
Undecided: 35%

Long story short, DiFi wouldn't have a cakewalk, Villaraigosa appears to have strength based on geographic isolation, Brown looks well-positioned, nobody knows the Republicans, and any Democrat can win.

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DiFi could not win CA.... (0.00 / 0)
....she's a senile old bat who can't keep track of what end is up. Without her staff, working for K-Street in actuality, she could not find her office.

This would become very apparent if she tried to run.

Myself I'd like to see Jerry come back with an eye to the WH once BHO completes his second term.

We could put up a lot of windmills in Cheney's home state...heh...


Why the Love of Jerry? (0.00 / 0)
I ask with all sincerity.  He was very progressive as governor, and nobody can fault his work against Prop 8, but there ARE issues.

--  He left the party for several years, returning only when he decided to run for AG.

-- As I recall, he had a decidedly unliberal record as mayor of Oakland, including some issues with the Oakland PD.

-- He has a glorious record as "Governor Moonbeam" which will give the Reeps a narrative to pound him all campaign long.  

So please, make the case for Brown vs. the rest of the field.


You haven't hit (0.00 / 0)
his retrograde record on crime and prisons, which is frankly disqualifying.

I don't really have any favorite in this race.  There's no movement candidate, nobody who's stood out on budget reform.  It's a shame.


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For the moderate Democrat (0.00 / 0)
For the moderate or conservative Democrat, Brown's essentially the only choice. He did clean up Oakland and succeeded at attracting businesses and residents Downtown. Notwithstanding the legitimate issue of the Oakland Riders, crime went down. Governor Moonbeam was so many years ago, and he's made up with many conservatives by supporting Three Strikes and opposing Prop 66 a few years ago (which, of course, engenders opposition from liberals). And he was right on the issues of campaign finance reform and taking money from the people, which engenders a lot of love from "good government" types.

Sure, Gavin Newsom also can appeal to the moderate primary voter. Care Not Cash was successful, he's attracted a lot of business into the City and reinforced the City as a technology hub, and universal access has largely also been successful. In a primary you always try to get out your base, though, and a lot of moderates and non-progressives are not feeling the love from any of the candidates, at least not now. They'll vote for the Dem over a Whitman or Poizner though.


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Hmmmm (0.00 / 0)
As somebody who serves as my central committee's "designated moderate", I am not interested in either Gavin or Jerry.  Mimicking the Reeps' police state policies hurts Brown, and Newsom is just too egotistical, even for a politician.  

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As a moderate Democrat... (0.00 / 0)
I find myself more interested in Tom Campbell than anyone.
He has a substantive position on the budget. He knows Sacramento as a state senate rep, he knows DC as a congressional rep, and he knows statewide issues as appointed position. He's a social progressive, pro-choice pro-gay marriage...
He's more interested in sound governance for the state than everyone else who looks at the CA Governors office as the "next rung on the ladder." While Gavin, Villaraigosa, Whitman, Brown, and Poizner will be self-serving governors, Campbell will is committed to serving California.  
Let's get real.
Campbell actually embodies bi-partisans solutions.
Go check out his website.

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posted under "open thread"? (0.00 / 0)
Calitics Editor Garry South should be laughing at how easy it was to own the front page.

In this case (0.00 / 0)
Open Thread = David Dayen.

But I think his insights make sense. DiFi would not have a cakewalk and part of me thinks her presence in the race would actually help galvanize progressives in a way none of the candidates so far appear to be doing.

One thing I found amusing is how poorly Steve Westly polls. Part of it is that the media hasn't focused on him as a candidate, but you'd think that someone who ran a close second in the 2006 primary would have better numbers. 74% of Democrats had "no opinion" of him - makes one wonder wtf the 2006 primary was for, except an epic and damaging waste of money, time, and opportunity.

Your boy Gavin has a year to work on his numbers. He actually may have the most growth potential of anyone since he knows what his negatives are and therefore how to address them (at least in theory; I agree that Garry South is the least likely person to help accomplish that task).

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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The polling that i want to see done is down-ticket... (0.00 / 0)
Some Democrat will be able to beat Poizner or Whitman, sure.  But which gubernatorial candidate at the top of the ticket would be most helpful to the down-ticket Assembly and Senate races?

We can't be sure that 2/3 will be done away with by 2010, not by a long shot.  Which gubernatorial candidate plays the best in red areas, both by appealling to rural voters as well as engendering as little opposition turnout as possible?  

Certainly not Newsom.  The others front runners, who knows.  Arguably Garamendi (and DiFi) might best fulfill these requirements.  Villaraigosa might conjure up the mythical untapped Latino electorate that Obama chased so hard last year...

Oh, and after the multimillionaires beat each other up on the other side, I'm most scared of Campbell.  


we, change candidate wanted for california, believe the field is incomplete. (0.00 / 0)
however, if this turns out to be the cast of candidates, we see the race this way:

Probably the best data to use is 2006 Primary which was competitive and
likely reflects the current demographics.  The margin of victory for
Angelides (120,911) came from the urban areas of the state - San Francisco,
Los Angeles, Oakland, Berkeley, Sacramento and San Diego.

With likely 3-4 competitive candidates that each start with double digit
support, the winner of the primary in 2008 could win with 38% of the vote or
952,350 which is less than Steve Westly received in 2006 in a losing effort.

Some assumptions:

Newsome will perform better than Angelides in San Francisco

Villagarosa will perform better than Angelides in Los Angeles

Brown will cut into the urban margins in both Los Angeles and San Francisco
and will perform better in Oakland and Berkeley than Angelides

The opportunity:

Someone who can run strong third in urban areas and can perform at or above Westly levels in rural and less populated areas.

Current candidates Garamendi and Westly will compete for this position until a new option emerges.  

The CCWC includes Tom Steyer, John Chiang and other unnamed candidates that could also pursue this path.


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