{"id":13704,"date":"2011-07-21T00:35:09","date_gmt":"2011-07-21T00:35:09","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-07-21T00:35:09","modified_gmt":"2011-07-21T00:35:09","slug":"you-didnt-think-term-limits-actually-led-to-citizen-legislators-did-you","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/2011\/07\/21\/you-didnt-think-term-limits-actually-led-to-citizen-legislators-did-you\/","title":{"rendered":"You Didn&#8217;t Think Term Limits Actually Led to Citizen Legislators, Did You?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><i>A new report shows legislators just move over, not out.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>by Brian Leubitz<\/p>\n<p>A new report by the Center for Governmental Studies shows that state legislators don&#8217;t really leave Sacramento after their terms are up, as Prop 140 envisioned:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s restore that form of government envisioned by our Founding Fathers,&#8221; proponents wrote. &#8220;A government of citizens representing their fellow citizens.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The CGS study, admittedly only a snapshot of the post-Prop 140 world in Sacramento, compared the landing spots for the men and women termed out of office in 2008 to the careers of ex-legislators in the decade between 1980-1990.<\/p>\n<p>In the Assembly, 60% of the 2008 departed remained in the public sector through either appointed or elected positions&#8230; the exact same percentage as did so in the 1980s. In the Senate, 30% of ex-members stayed in public service a generation ago; in 2008, it was actually a little higher at 40%. And in both instances, the ex-pols of the 1980s seemed to return to the private sector at a higher rate than those of today.<\/p>\n<p>Exactly what accounts for all of that isn&#8217;t clear, and the CGS study doesn&#8217;t pretend to have the answers. But it does offer an opinion about one of the essential promises of legislative term limits:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>These findings suggest that California&#8217;s term limits have not created an environment in which citizen legislators temporarily serve in the state Capitol and then return to the private sector. Rather, it suggests that professional legislators pre and post term limits continued to seek careers in other governmental positions &#8212; a form of political musical chairs for governmental office.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/cgs.org\/images\/publications\/cgs_musical_chairs_071911.pdf\">CGS goes on to argue in their report (PDF)<\/a> that term limits need reform, specifically the change from 14 to 12 years but allowing members to serve the entire time in one chamber. <\/p>\n<p>That recommendation is basically the initiative that will be on the ballot during the next election that was sponsored by the LA Labor Fed. The big difference between this measure and Prop 93 of 2008 is that current legislators aren&#8217;t exempted.<\/p>\n<p>But CGS also makes one more interesting recommendation: members can come back from their term limits ban after waiting a suitable time. &nbsp;This could make for some interesting races involving unretired legislators against their former chosen successors. &nbsp;Could make for some interesting political theater anyway, but that would require an additional ballot measure.<\/p>\n<p>Given the state&#8217;s record since Prop 140, it is really hard to defend term limits in any meaningful way, but this additional data adds some fuel to the fire.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><i>A new report shows legislators just move over, not out.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>by Brian Leubitz<\/p>\n<p>A new report by the Center for Governmental Studies shows that state legislators don&#8217;t really leave Sacramento after their terms are up, as Prop 140 envisioned:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s restore that form of government envisioned by our Founding Fathers,&#8221; proponents wrote. &#8220;A government of citizens representing their fellow citizens.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The CGS study, admittedly only a snapshot of the post-Prop 140 world in Sacramento, compared the landing spots for the men and women termed out of office in 2008 to the careers of ex-legislators in the decade between 1980-1990.<\/p>\n<p>In the Assembly, 60% of the 2008 departed remained in the public sector through either appointed or elected positions&#8230; the exact same percentage as did so in the 1980s. In the Senate, 30% of ex-members stayed in public service a generation ago; in 2008, it was actually a little higher at 40%. And in both instances, the ex-pols of the 1980s seemed to return to the private sector at a higher rate than those of today.<\/p>\n<p>Exactly what accounts for all of that isn&#8217;t clear, and the CGS study doesn&#8217;t pretend to have the answers. But it does offer an opinion about one of the essential promises of legislative term limits:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>These findings suggest that California&#8217;s term limits have not created an environment in which citizen legislators temporarily serve in the state Capitol and then return to the private sector. Rather, it suggests that professional legislators pre and post term limits continued to seek careers in other governmental positions &#8212; a form of political musical chairs for governmental office.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/cgs.org\/images\/publications\/cgs_musical_chairs_071911.pdf\">CGS goes on to argue in their report (PDF)<\/a> that term limits need reform, specifically the change from 14 to 12 years but allowing members to serve the entire time in one chamber. <\/p>\n<p>That recommendation is basically the initiative that will be on the ballot during the next election that was sponsored by the LA Labor Fed. The big difference between this measure and Prop 93 of 2008 is that current legislators aren&#8217;t exempted.<\/p>\n<p>But CGS also makes one more interesting recommendation: members can come back from their term limits ban after waiting a suitable time. &nbsp;This could make for some interesting races involving unretired legislators against their former chosen successors. &nbsp;Could make for some interesting political theater anyway, but that would require an additional ballot measure.<\/p>\n<p>Given the state&#8217;s record since Prop 140, it is really hard to defend term limits in any meaningful way, but this additional data adds some fuel to the fire.<br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[],"tags":[19],"class_list":["post-13704","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","tag-19"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[],"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6Pvhz-3z2","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13704","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=13704"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13704\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=13704"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=13704"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=13704"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}