{"id":8675,"date":"2009-04-27T18:28:30","date_gmt":"2009-04-27T18:28:30","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2009-04-27T18:28:30","modified_gmt":"2009-04-27T18:28:30","slug":"aftermath-of-the-proposition-battle-listen-to-the-range-of-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/calitics.com\/index.php\/2009\/04\/27\/aftermath-of-the-proposition-battle-listen-to-the-range-of-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"Aftermath Of The Proposition Battle: Listen To The Range Of Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Those who followed the <a href=\"https:\/\/calitics.com\/diary\/8668\/proposition-battle-thread\">proposition thread<\/A> know the outcome, but in case you need a recap, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/news\/local\/la-me-dems27-2009apr27,0,4714993.story?track=rss\">Big Media&#8217;s got your back<\/a> as well.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Efforts by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and legislative leaders to win voter approval of six budget measures on the May 19 ballot grew more difficult Sunday when a sharply split state Democratic Party declined to back three of them.<\/p>\n<p>The mixed verdict by more than 1,200 delegates to a state party convention came after a nasty floor fight over the grim menu of proposed solutions to California&#8217;s severe budget crisis.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve got all kinds of divisions,&#8221; Art Pulaski, leader of the California Labor Federation, AFL-CIO, said of the fractures among unions that drove the party&#8217;s internal rift. &#8220;It&#8217;s not unusual for us.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Republicans, too, are split on Propositions 1A through 1F. The state Republican Party has broken with Schwarzenegger, its standard-bearer, and begun fighting the measures.<\/p>\n<p>Taken together, the muddled messages from California&#8217;s two major parties threaten to fuel the sort of voter confusion that often spells doom for complicated ballot measures.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This is pretty on the money. &nbsp;There&#8217;s a split within both parties, one that Democratic leaders aren&#8217;t coming to terms with. &nbsp;Neither side has taken heed of its grassroots, at least in part. &nbsp;With the propositions in trouble, we must take an eye to the message that will come out in the aftermath. &nbsp;The truth is that Democrats have a principled policy difference here, and those legitimate concerns should not be discounted by the leadership in favor of a narrative that voters opposed the ballot because of 2 years&#8217; worth of certain tax increases. &nbsp;In fact, the word &#8220;taxes&#8221; was not used once on the floor of the convention by those opposed to 1A or any other measure. &nbsp;We oppose these measures because we find them deeply harmful to the future functioning of the state. &nbsp;We believe there&#8217;s a better way in the short term, with the majority-vote fee increase, and the long-term, with the end of the conservative veto and a more sustainable course, based on broader-based taxation to pay for the services all Californians desire. &nbsp;We reject in whole the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/news\/local\/la-me-cap27-2009apr27,0,7820430.column?track=rss\">dumbed-down, simplistic framing<\/a> that 1A would &#8220;reform the budget&#8221; and failure would court disaster.<\/p>\n<p>As for the <a href=\"http:\/\/camajorityreport.com\/index.php?module=articles&#038;func=display&#038;aid=3977&#038;ptid=9\">spin<\/a> that delegates &#8220;supported&#8221; the measures on the &#8220;May 11 ballot&#8221; (Steve, you should probably get the date right if you&#8217;re working for the Yes side), and a &#8220;supermajority quirk in party rules&#8221; was used by opponents, I really don&#8217;t know what to even say to that. &nbsp;First of all, the quirk has been on the books for a long time, and it was actually progressives like Dante Atkins who have been working to reform the endorsement process, so welcome to the party. &nbsp;Next, with fully 1\/3 of the delegates electeds and appointeds, most of whom negotiated and supported the deal, and another 1\/3 elected by county committees, and another 1\/3 grassroots delegates elected at caucuses, a 60% threshold, which again was never argued by these people when it worked for them, represents a fairly broad consensus of all three sectors. &nbsp;Finally, if you went state by state, I would imagine you would find such a threshold in many if not most state Democratic parties, whereas the 2\/3 rule for the budget, to which some are making a false equivalence, only finds parallel in Arkansas and Rhode Island. &nbsp;I would be all too happy to completely reform the endorsement process and even question its use by the party outright, that would be a fine debate. &nbsp;But whining about known rules sounds like Hillary Clinton&#8217;s staff bemoaning the fact of caucuses in the 2008 primary when they knew the facts for years. &nbsp;The grapes, they are sour.<\/p>\n<p>Now that the endorsement battle is over and the election just weeks from being done, let&#8217;s have a dialogue instead of a lecture, and let&#8217;s take the concerns seriously of those who reject the false messiah of a spending cap and raiding important voter-approved initiatives and balancing the budget on the backs of gamblers. &nbsp;Let&#8217;s actually advocate for something rather than being forced to accept something. &nbsp;Let&#8217;s not worry about &#8220;what the Republicans will say&#8221; and let&#8217;s not sniff that &#8220;pie in the sky solutions won&#8217;t work.&#8221; &nbsp;Let&#8217;s reform the state and come out with a government that works.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Those who followed the <a href=\"https:\/\/calitics.com\/diary\/8668\/proposition-battle-thread\">proposition thread<\/A> know the outcome, but in case you need a recap, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/news\/local\/la-me-dems27-2009apr27,0,4714993.story?track=rss\">Big Media&#8217;s got your back<\/a> as well.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Efforts by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and legislative leaders to win voter approval of six budget measures on the May 19 ballot grew more difficult Sunday when a sharply split state Democratic Party declined to back three of them.<\/p>\n<p>The mixed verdict by more than 1,200 delegates to a state party convention came after a nasty floor fight over the grim menu of proposed solutions to California&#8217;s severe budget crisis.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve got all kinds of divisions,&#8221; Art Pulaski, leader of the California Labor Federation, AFL-CIO, said of the fractures among unions that drove the party&#8217;s internal rift. &#8220;It&#8217;s not unusual for us.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Republicans, too, are split on Propositions 1A through 1F. The state Republican Party has broken with Schwarzenegger, its standard-bearer, and begun fighting the measures.<\/p>\n<p>Taken together, the muddled messages from California&#8217;s two major parties threaten to fuel the sort of voter confusion that often spells doom for complicated ballot measures.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This is pretty on the money. &nbsp;There&#8217;s a split within both parties, one that Democratic leaders aren&#8217;t coming to terms with. &nbsp;Neither side has taken heed of its grassroots, at least in part. &nbsp;With the propositions in trouble, we must take an eye to the message that will come out in the aftermath. &nbsp;The truth is that Democrats have a principled policy difference here, and those legitimate concerns should not be discounted by the leadership in favor of a narrative that voters opposed the ballot because of 2 years&#8217; worth of certain tax increases. &nbsp;In fact, the word &#8220;taxes&#8221; was not used once on the floor of the convention by those opposed to 1A or any other measure. &nbsp;We oppose these measures because we find them deeply harmful to the future functioning of the state. &nbsp;We believe there&#8217;s a better way in the short term, with the majority-vote fee increase, and the long-term, with the end of the conservative veto and a more sustainable course, based on broader-based taxation to pay for the services all Californians desire. &nbsp;We reject in whole the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/news\/local\/la-me-cap27-2009apr27,0,7820430.column?track=rss\">dumbed-down, simplistic framing<\/a> that 1A would &#8220;reform the budget&#8221; and failure would court disaster.<\/p>\n<p>As for the <a href=\"http:\/\/camajorityreport.com\/index.php?module=articles&#038;func=display&#038;aid=3977&#038;ptid=9\">spin<\/a> that delegates &#8220;supported&#8221; the measures on the &#8220;May 11 ballot&#8221; (Steve, you should probably get the date right if you&#8217;re working for the Yes side), and a &#8220;supermajority quirk in party rules&#8221; was used by opponents, I really don&#8217;t know what to even say to that. &nbsp;First of all, the quirk has been on the books for a long time, and it was actually progressives like Dante Atkins who have been working to reform the endorsement process, so welcome to the party. &nbsp;Next, with fully 1\/3 of the delegates electeds and appointeds, most of whom negotiated and supported the deal, and another 1\/3 elected by county committees, and another 1\/3 grassroots delegates elected at caucuses, a 60% threshold, which again was never argued by these people when it worked for them, represents a fairly broad consensus of all three sectors. &nbsp;Finally, if you went state by state, I would imagine you would find such a threshold in many if not most state Democratic parties, whereas the 2\/3 rule for the budget, to which some are making a false equivalence, only finds parallel in Arkansas and Rhode Island. &nbsp;I would be all too happy to completely reform the endorsement process and even question its use by the party outright, that would be a fine debate. &nbsp;But whining about known rules sounds like Hillary Clinton&#8217;s staff bemoaning the fact of caucuses in the 2008 primary when they knew the facts for years. &nbsp;The grapes, they are sour.<\/p>\n<p>Now that the endorsement battle is over and the election just weeks from being done, let&#8217;s have a dialogue instead of a lecture, and let&#8217;s take the concerns seriously of those who reject the false messiah of a spending cap and raiding important voter-approved initiatives and balancing the budget on the backs of gamblers. &nbsp;Let&#8217;s actually advocate for something rather than being forced to accept something. &nbsp;Let&#8217;s not worry about &#8220;what the Republicans will say&#8221; 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