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About Those Superdelegates

Here and across my series of 872 blogs, I’ve been pretty vocal about the superdelegate situation, about how it’s a media creation designed to set Democrats against themselves and damage the party’s credibility as we move into the fall.  I’m not the only one, either.  Today comes a thinly sourced story about how the Clinton campaign is vowing to go after pledged delegates who represent the distribution in the various state primaries and caucuses, a charge that the campaign summarily denied.  The truth is that the Democratic Party’s somewhat convoluted system practically demands that some pledged delegates will be up for grabs, but this Politico/Drudge effort doesn’t pass any kind of smell test.  Essentially, my feeling is that the Democratic Party put together a system they never thought they would have to use.  For decades now both parties have created a calendar designed to nominate a candidate as early as humanly possible.  They never considered the implications of having two equally strong candidates and a campaign that would grind on (although let’s get some perspective on that; it’s only February 19 here, and the scenarios being games out may be inoperative in a matter of weeks).  Now that the system is being trotted out, pretty much for the first time ever (arguably, 1984 brought these rules into play), it’s showing a little rust.  OK, a lot of rust.  They’re trying to patch it up and have a bunch of elder statesmen manage this situation.  I think this is a freak-out that is far too premature.

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However, I have to continue to call B.S. on this idea that superdelegates will somehow subvert the popular will and act to destroy the Democratic Party from within.  I understand there’s not a lot of belief from those who have seen the party screw over their base time and time again in recent years.  While I agree that the concept of superdelegates should come as a surprise to many, and they almost certainly should be fixed so this doesn’t happen again, there’s a ton of misinformation out there about who these superdelegates actually are.

I talked with Garry Shay, a superdelegate from here in California, a DNC member and the Chair of the Rules Committee for the California Democratic Party.  He is a party activist who has a day job and was concerned by all the media attention taking him away from his work.  He was an antiwar activist who worked hard for George McGovern.  He was elected by the executive board of the CDP to his DNC post and essentially is a representative of the state party rank and file.  That includes someone like me, who ran and won a seat on the Democratic State Central Committee in this state.  The barriers to entry, then, are very low, and the likelihood that these superdelegates are not “party bosses,” whatever that means, but committed activists, is very high.  Shay surmised it was about 1/2 of all superdelegates.  These are in large part, the people who elected Howard Dean to the chairmanship of the party, against the will of much of the elected leadership.  A good summary of who these delegates are is here.

Why are there superdelegates at all?  Basically, before 1972 the process for choosing a nominee was far less small-d democratic.  The McGovern reforms regarding primaries, and the 1974 charter added some structure to the process.  Shay didn’t agree with me totally that this created rules that were essentially designed to not come into play, but he did say that superdelegates were created to “give members more of a connection to the nominee,” almost a psychological basis, rather than a concerted effort to impose their will on the party.  In fact, superdelegates have never sought to choose the nominee in a way that didn’t reflect the popular will.  Even in 1984, when Walter Mondale had a plurality but not a majority of delegates, the superdelegates did not step in and anoint Gary Hart.  

The either/or of whether a political figure has a responsibility to his own conscience or a responsibility to his own constituents is an age-old argument, and I don’t think any side of this debate, with their own partisan reasoning, is going to advance it in any meaningful way.  But clearly, there are outside pressures that would have come to bear on them with or without the overwatch by progressive organizations like MoveOn and DFA.  The candidate with the most votes is going to get the majority of the superdelegates (probably by a similar proportion), and all of these machinations are going to amount to nothing.

Of far more concern to Shay, and myself, is what to do with these delegates in Michigan and Florida.  It’s an issue with few or no winning moves.  Shay suggested a couple possibilities, like seating Florida with delegates halved, or holding new elections.  But there are pitfalls with every scenario and clearly the rules were enforced with an eye to a clear winner emerging.  This was a mistake, but the bigger mistake is exacerbating this by assuming all kinds of bad motives on the superdelegates and the party itself.  The party gave out a bunch of votes to make everybody feel like they were participating and happy about the process.  They never expected it to be decisive.  And it still might not be.  This is a failure of forward thinking, perhaps even incompetence, but not an attempt to hijack the democratic process.

That is safe, but the reputation of the Party may not be.  Several developments over the last few days have given me pangs of concern about the Presidential race – the teflon coating being placed on McCain, the continued implementation in progressive political circles of right-wing smears on Obama and Clinton, and now this furor over superdelegates, which makes the process look very suspect.  This is a narrative that can easily be fed to swing voters across the country, that the Democratic Party is some sort of top-down monolith that will ignore your votes.  It’s actually not true; the superdelegate effort was designed to create inclusion instead of exclusion.  But exposing the underside of the primary process, between caucuses that are inherently disenfranchising and superdelegates that have a bigger say in the process than previously known and delegate distributions that don’t reflect the popular vote, is giving the electorate something of a foul taste.  Come the fall, much of that is likely to be forgotten.  But it could be effectively implemented to really harm efforts both in retaking the White House and downticket.  This is pretty bad news.

By the way, my perfect solution for the superdelegate problem in the future is to only have their votes count on the SECOND ballot, not the first.  That way, they don’t have a say in the initial process, and a percentage of the elected delegates can be established as a bar that can be scaled by a nominee on the first ballot.  This won’t piss off those party officials and will reassure the public, and most important won’t give the media an excuse to include superdelegates in their counts.

Obama Picks Up A Delegate in CA-53

This is a quickie.  I’ve been checking in on the final vote totals at the Secretary of State’s website every day or so, and today was the first change I’ve noticed that actually effects delegates.  In CA-53 in San Diego, additional votes have given Barack Obama a 443-vote lead in a district he trailed in.  This being a 5-delegate district, he would get a 3-2 split there now if counting ended today.  He’s creeping up in CA-50 as well, within 556 votes.

Also, the statewide vote is down to a 9.2% spread, with Clinton at 51.9% and Obama at 42.7%.  That extrapolates to the same delegate split of 71-58, for now, but it’s inching closer to 70-59.

So by my numbers, Clinton leads 204-166 now.  Ridiculously enough, that one delegate shift in CA-53 is equivalent to the recent calling of the entire state of New Mexico for Clinton.

This, of course, also makes Susan Davis’ district no longer “significant” in the eyes of the Clinton campaign.

All Over But The Counting

There are still three weeks of counting left to go until the California Democratic primary is certified, and with delegate counts taking on such a significance, I thought I’d check in at the Secretary of State’s returns site to see where we’re at.

While thousands of new votes have been counted since the initial Election Day totals, the statewide vote has not moved significantly.  With over 4.3 million votes in, Hillary Clinton continues to lead, 52.0%-42.4%.  That extrapolates to a 71-58 lead for Clinton in the delegates that are apportioned statewide.  However, the Secretary of State’s office reports that 845,000 votes have yet to be counted in the Feb. 5 primary statewide – and that doesn’t include any outstanding votes from Los Angeles County, the most populous in the state.  Frank Russo estimates that maybe 1.5 million votes have yet to be counted, and we can say with some confidence that almost a million of those could be cast in the Democratic race.  This has the ability to impact that statewide number, as well as several close Congressional districts where delegates could flip.

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The uncounted votes thus far are greatest in Sacramento, Orange and San Diego counties, with over 300,000 in those three counties alone.  Orange County went pretty strong for Clinton, while Sacramento and San Diego were more of a mix.  Also remember that there are around 94,000 votes uncounted due to the “double bubble trouble” in LA County.  The registrar has started a hand count of 1% of those ballots, but a full count is still being demanded, so that could shift things.

Here are the districts where the delegates could flip:

CA-01: Barack Obama has a 450-vote lead in this 5-delegate district, so that could go from 3-2 Obama to 3-2 Clinton.

CA-04: unlikely that Obama can overcome a 3,000-vote lead, so 3-2 Clinton.  However, there are 15,000 votes out in Placer County, so keep an eye on this one.

CA-16: Clinton is very close to getting a 3-1 split in Zoe Lofgren’s district.  You need 62.5% of the head-to-head vote and she now has 62.47%.  I’m not sure if they round up.  This one could obviously shift.

CA-17: It’s a 2,600-vote lead for Clinton right now, but there are 30,000 votes left to count in Monterey County, so a shift is plausible.

CA-18: The current 3-1 split for Clinton could go down to 2-2 if Obama comes back a little.

CA-23: Obama’s lead is just 2,200 votes, but Santa Barbara County is not reporting any votes left to count, so this could be safe.

CA-40: Clinton’s got 61.89% of the head-to-head votes here and needs 62.5%, so it’s possible.

CA-41: Clinton has 63.6% of the head-to-head vote, enough for a 3-1 delegate split, but Obama could shrink this enough to get it back to 2-2.

CA-45: Clinton has 63.6% of the head-to-head vote, enough for a 3-1 delegate split, but Obama could shrink this enough to get it back to 2-2.

CA-50: This was a lot closer before, but Clinton now has about a 1,000-vote lead in this 5-delegate district with a lot left to count, so anything can happen.

CA-51: This one is razor-thin.  Clinton needs 62.5% for a 3-1 delegate split, and she now has 62.42%.

CA-53: About 250 votes separate Obama and Clinton.

As it stands right now, by my calculations Hillary Clinton leads in delegates 205-165.  That could change by +5 on the Clinton side and +7 on the Obama side.  So we could see as high as a 210-160 split, or as low as a 198-172 split.  And that’s not factoring in how the statewide delegates could fluctuate, which is probably as much as 3 delegates on either side, given all those votes left to count.  So the best-case scenario for Clinton is a 56-delegate lead out of California, and the worst-case is a 20-delegate lead.  That’s how much this can change.  So nobody bank on anything just yet.

What’s Left To Count

The Secretary of State set up a page listing uncounted ballots from last night’s election, including provisionals, vote-by-mail, and “damaged” ballots.  It’s incomplete so far, but some things jumped out:

• San Diego County has 160,000 uncounted ballots.  That could absolutely affect CA-50 (where there’s a 100-vote split for Clinton right now) and CA-53 (200-vote split) and be a potential swing of two delegates.

• Overall, 356,000 ballots are uncounted, and that doesn’t even include LA County or absentees that were postmarked on time but haven’t arrived.  Frank Russo sez there could be up to TWO MILLION ballots out.

• There’s really no way of knowing who these benefit; last-day deciders broke for Clinton in some exit polls, and the 100,000-plus provisionals may never be counted.

My Delegate Analysis

Obama actually had an excellent overnight.  He kept contact in several districts, won enough in CA-09 for a 4-2 split, and I don’t think CA-50 and CA-53 are worth calling yet until we see where the final votes are coming from; he’s basically in the same position he was in CA-01.  My approximations on delegates show that Clinton will win between 31 and 37 more delegates out of California.  At one point last night it looked like 50-60.  

(Those are slightly different than Caligirl’s numbers, based on late-breaking numbers for Obama.)

My initial analysis wasn’t all that off except for one key area: Clinton was able to get 3-1 splits in 8 key districts, almost all of them heavily Latino: CA-18, CA-21, CA-31 (hey, great job, Obama surrogate Xavier Becerra!), CA-32, CA-34, CA-38, CA-39 (awesome, Obama surrogate Linda Sanchez!), and CA-43.  If Obama got enough votes in those districts to keep it close, and I mean a scant 35%, he would have basically been even or down by 5-7 delegates.

Those are districts that are dominated by Spanish-language media, that are in Los Angeles and Riverside and San Bernardino and Orange counties.  They would be uniquely difficult to organize at the precinct level, and Clinton won based on paid media and name ID and connection to the Clinton policies of the past.  Clinton’s huge Asian vote probably helped as well, at least in CA-39.  I also overestimated the value of endorsers like Becerra and Linda Sanchez and Adam Schiff.  Congressmen don’t necessarily have a machine to get out votes.

I should also mention that Charlie Cook did very well.

Hillary Clinton was up by a whole lot in this race and she ended up winning by single digits (about 9.5%).  Given her early voting lead, depending on how many voted by mail she may have won by as little as 5% on Election Day.  But she took the districts where she had a natural advantage strongly.

On the Republican side, John McCain won around 49 districts, Mitt Romney 4.  Unbelievable.

UPDATE: Frank Russo notes something very important:

Of the 6.3 million ballots counted for Presidential candidates, 63% or over 4 million were cast in the Democratic primary and only 32% or 2.3 million and counting were cast in the Republican primary. Democrats and decline to state a party voters who participated in the Democratic primary far outperformed normal voting patterns in California. Democrats hold a 10 point margin in voter registration over Republicans in this state and decline to state voters account for 19% of registrations. There is a 31% spread between the Democratic primary vote here and the Republican primary vote.

That’s extremely impressive, and a good harbinger for November.  Russo also says there are as many as a million absentee votes that have yet to be counted, so these numbers could still move, which means delegates could shift as well.

…In addition, there are tens of thousands of votes caught up in the double bubble trouble, so the margin of victory could plausibly shrink to 8 or even 7.

OK, About That Election…

As for election news in California, the final two polls have been wildly divergent.  SurveyUSA shows a 10-point Clinton lead, while Reuters/Zogby has a 13-point Obama lead.  The final Field Poll (the gold standard, as everyone knows) went with a one-point lead to Obama two-point lead to Clinton, almost exactly in the middle.

Of course, this only tells part of the story, as Marc Ambinder picked up on my caveat that the district-level delegate system will skew the results, particularly in those even-numbered districts, where a high bar is needed to be scaled to get anything beyond an even split of delegates.  And if you expect an early answer about them, think again:

So much for having a hard delegate count on Super Tuesday, we’re hearing that CA Dems won’t have final delegate tally ready until Friday.

Debra Bowen’s mantra has been that she’d rather get the count right than get it fast, so everyone’s going to have to wait.  I think it’s a small price to pay for voting with a paper ballot.  By the way, DTS voters, fill that bubble!

The Cook Political Report did the same district-level analysis that I did yesterday, and found a considerably larger amount of variance.  Cook thinks that Clinton can get over the 63% bar in those heavily-Latino districts (I’m not so sure).  I understand that the 6-delegate seats require 58.3% of the vote to get a 4-2 split, which seems to me to be possible in Barbara Lee’s CA-09 and Nancy Pelosi’s CA-08, so Obama could be in an even stronger position than I thought.  And as Councilman Garcetti said last night, they are paying attention to this stuff, on both sides I would imagine.

Finally, we have somewhat neglected the Republican race.  The chic pick is that Romney has come all the way back and will take California.  John McCain is apparently worried about it, since it would mean that Romney has an argument to stay in the race.  Both candidates scurried back here today for extra bits of campaigning.

And yet McCain’s people fear he may lose the popular vote in California to Romney — even if they haul in the same number of CA delegates — and that the Super Tuesday story will therefore NOT be the crowning of McCain but rather his failure to put away the game, a failure born of his fractious and sometimes unloving relationship with conservatives, especially those millions of conservatives who listen to and abide by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, not to mention Limbaugh and Hannity themselves, and a failure that in turn will be viewed as both a symptom and a cause of the historic crack-up of the conservative coalition that has sustained and nourished the Republican Party for a couple generations.

Which would be fantastic, since it would be desirable for their race to be as screwed up as ours.  Could the relentless Rush Limbaugh attacks be having an impact?  We’ll soon find out.

UPDATE: Harold Meyerson has further thoughts, and they’re good.

The Junkie’s Guide To The California Primary

(Brian touched on the quirks of the primary process here; I ran the numbers.)

We hear a lot about the back and forth of the Democratic primary in California.  We hear about various campaign rallies, some of it useful and interesting.  Heck, I’ve written about them myself.  What I see less about is the actual nuts and bolts of the California election, and what its quirks will mean for the delegate counts for Obama or Clinton.  The AP came close the other day.

The Democratic rules provide for delegates to be awarded proportionately on the basis of the popular vote. It wasn’t always that way, but a change designed to weaken the control of party bosses was ushered in after the riotous Vietnam War-era 1968 convention […]

In a race with two equally matched rivals – Obama and Clinton are both running well-funded national campaigns – that tends to leave the winner of the popular vote with only a narrow delegate advantage over a loser who runs a strong race.

Multiply that across dozens of congressional districts – 53 in California – and predicting the winner of the delegate struggle is a virtual impossibility.

Then it gets harder.

For the Democrats, in a congressional district with three delegates, two go to the popular vote winner, and the loser gets the third as long as they win 15 percent of the popular vote.

But in a congressional district with four delegates, the winner and loser in a two-way race are likely to divide the spoils evenly. The winner must receive nearly 63 percent of the vote to get a 3-1 split in delegates, and 85 percent of the vote to win all four.

This is generally very true.  But the author neglects to mention that there are only two Congressional districts in California which offer 3 delegates.  The real prizes are the five-delegate districts, because the majority of the districts offer even-numbered delegates which almost guarantee an equal distribution.  And because of the particular breakdown of delegate allocation, Barack Obama actually has a built-in advantage in winning a majority of the delegates, regardless of the popular vote.

Here’s the list of delegate allocation in California.  As you can see, there are 370 pledged delegates up for grabs, and 241 of them will be pledged at the district level.  The other 129 will be allocated to candidates based on their share of the statewide vote.  Given what we know about the closeness of the race in California, I simply can’t see much more than a 10-point spread in that allocation.  So the other 241 from the district races will end up being a significant factor.

There are 26 districts which allocate four delegates, all of which are almost certain to split evenly among Clinton and Obama. Significantly, these include some of the most heavily Latino districts in the state, including CA-21 (Nunes), CA-31 (Becerra), CA-32 (Solis), CA-34 (Roybal-Allard), CA-38 (Napolitano), CA-39 (Linda Sanchez) and CA-43 (Baca).  Clinton’s perceived advantage among Latinos is neutralized by the high bar needed to cross to gather extra delegates in these districts.  The likely scenario is an even 52-52 split.

There are 6 districts which allocate 6 delegates, where it is still likely to be an even scenario, but where a strong showing could give a 4-2 split (I think a candidate would need close to 60% of the vote for that to happen).  These districts, the most Democratic in the state (the allocation is based on Democratic turnout in primaries), are CA-06 (Woolsey), CA-08 (Pelosi), CA-09 (Lee), CA-12 (Lantos), CA-14 (Eshoo) and CA-30 (Waxman).  As these are districts populated with liberals, and given that some of them are high-income (06, 08, 12, 30), they seem to trend toward Obama.  I think CA-09, Barbara Lee’s district serving heavily African-American Oakland as well as some other East Bay cities, offers the best chance for a 4-2 split.  Let’s say that Obama gets one of these.  The number is now 71-69 Obama.

As I said, there are two districts with 3 delegates: CA-20 (Costa) in the Central Valley, and CA-47 (Loretta Sanchez) in Orange County. (As an aside, this means that these two districts turn Democrats out to primaries at the lowest rates.  And they both have Democratic Congressmen.  Way to go, Bush Dogs!)  I project that CA-47 will go to Clinton, and think that CA-20 is up for grabs.  There are a decent amount of campesinos in that area, but rural districts in Nevada went strongly for Obama.  So let’s hold off on that for now.  The number is now 72-71 Obama, with 3 delegates outstanding.

Now we come to the real electoral prize: the 19 districts which offer 5 delegates.  There are quite a few advantages for Obama in these districts.  First, all three heavily African-American districts in Southern California are in this group: CA-33 (Watson), CA-35 (Waters) and CA-37 (Richardson).  Obama should be able to attract a majority here.  Then there are two districts in the far north of the state: CA-01 (Thompson) and CA-04 (Doolittle).  Based on how their Nevada neighbors voted, I project them to Obama.  Third, there are three districts in the Bay Area that fall into this category, and in the most recent Field Poll, Obama was stronger in the Bay Area than Southern California.  I expect him to take CA-07 (George Miller) and CA-13 (Stark), but lose CA-10 (Tauscher) because that’s a more suburban district.  That’s so far a 7-1 split for Obama.

Clinton’s strength is in the suburbs and in Southern California, as well as among Latinos.  But very few of those districts fall into this grouping.  There are three in the San Fernando Valley: CA-27 (Sherman), CA-28 (Berman) and CA-29 (Schiff).  But Adam Schiff has strongly endorsed Obama, and his Pasadena district is more liberal and upscale.  I see a 2-1 split for Clinton here.  NONE of the Orange County districts offer 5 delegates.

Going into the wild cards, we have 8 districts for Obama and 3 for Clinton.  The rest include CA-05 (Matsui) in the Sacramento area, CA-15 (Honda) in the San Jose area, CA-17 (Farr) in Monterey, CA-23 (Capps) in Santa Barbara, CA-36 (Harman) in the South Bay of Los Angeles, CA-50 (Bilbray) in the San Diego suburbs, and CA-53 (Davis) in San Diego.  If I were to guess, I’d say that CA-23 and CA-36 have some built-in advantages for Obama (upscale, highly educated, “wine track” liberal), making it an 11 to 3 split, with 5 outstanding.

So, before the polls close, we can reasonably project a 111-102 split for Obama, with 28 delegates up for grabs, as well as the 129 that will go proportionally to the winner.  If you split the rest of the district-level delegates evenly, I think you end up with anywhere from a 7 to 12 delegate advantage that Clinton would have to make up in the popular vote.  At the lowest level she would need 53% of the vote or a 6 percentage-point victory to make this up; at the highest level, 55-56% of the vote or a 10 to 12-point victory.  Given the polling recently, and the fact that there has been an unusually slow rate of return of absentee ballots until after the South Carolina primary, I think the final result is likely to be narrower.  And so, despite the possibility of Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote in the Golden State, I’m not sure she’s favored to win the majority of delegates, given the reality of the allocation.

Now, the question becomes, how will this be spun?  Will the media only report on the popular vote, or will they look at the delegate counts?  Probably the former; it’s simply easier for the format of broadcast news.  But they’d be missing out on an important story, that this is a race for delegates, and the candidate who takes advantage of the system is the most likely to reap the benefits.