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Join The Impact San Jose

Straight Old Geezer for Marriage Equality signAbout 2,000 people gathered at San Jose City Hall today as part of a nationwide day of protest against Prop 8 and for equal rights. We started by gathering in four locations – the San Jose Museum of Art, Metropolitan Community Church, St. James Park, and the Billy DeFrank LGBT Community Center. I'd carpooled in with my friend Ms. V and a friend of hers, and we started at St. James Park, handing out extra Vote No on Prop 8 signs left over from the campaign. Although we could have gone to the Mountain View rally closer to home, we'd chosen San Jose to be part of something bigger, and to be with our community from the DeFrank Center and the South Bay No on 8 campaign. Almost immediate we ran into Nan Coley, a friend and former colleague who had provided the inspiration for my blog post last night, Waiting for Proof. We continued handing out signs until we ran out, when I found more friends, the Shmilas, who I had introduced 12 years ago, and who were married on November 2. Ms. V ran into her ex and they caught up on their lives. And we ran into a straight couple active in PFLAG, who we'd met through the campaign. His sign (photo right) was so popular people kept asking him to pose for pictures and videos.

Then we were given the signal and started walking, and as we spread down the sidewalk we started to get an idea of how many of us had gathered. A news helicopter circled overhead as protestors converged on City Hall from the four starting places.
San Jose RallyThe crowd included LGBT and straight, young and old, parents and kids, teachers and students, leaders and members of faith communities, Hispanic Americans, African-Americans, Asian Pacific Islanders, the full diversity of the San Jose community. We surrounded the fountains on the City Hall plaza as barefoot children played in the water. We chanted (2-4-6-8 Love does not discriminate! What do we want? Equal rights! When do we want them? NOW!). We strained to hear speakers like DeFrank Executive Director Aejaie Sellers, and cheered when cars passing by honked their horns in support.

The mood was mostly upbeat. Although I'd been nervous about a possible counter-protest, we met no resistance on our march to City Hall and we found none on the plaza. I later read in the San Jose Mercury News that there had been a handful of Yes on 8 protestors across the street, but from our vantage point at the bottom of the fountain they could be neither seen nor heard. The messages were positive. Although it was sorely disappointing that Prop 8 had passed, it had been defeated in Santa Clara County where the Knight Initiative had passed. Although many in the LGBT community had been stunned by the election results, that had mobilized our community across the country. Volunteers from the DeFrank Center circulated with clipboards to sign up volunteers ready to commit to fighting for marriage equality. They invited us to a community meeting on Monday night to plan next steps. As we stood in the sun and cheered and waved our signs, I forgot to be angry at those who had waited to volunteer until after Prop 8 had passed. We can only move forward, and this crowd appeared ready to do the work. Now if we can only hang on to that energy.

 

 

Join the Impact in Saint Louis, MO

(Another JTI post… – promoted by Brian Leubitz)

Crossposted from Show Me Progress.

Crowd Earlier today, I headed down to Saint Louis’ historic Old Courthouse (the first Dred Scott trial was there, as well as the first case involving a woman’s right to vote back in the 1870s), where over 1,000 rallied against California’s recently passed Prop 8. My overall impression – well, I’ll quote Andrew Sullivan quoting myself:

Wow! For a community that keeps getting kicked in the gut, the vibes were very positive today in Saint Louis. Over a thousand people showed up on the first bitterly cold day of winter to hear the mayor, the president of the Board of Alderman (who gave a particularly good speech that I will send you if I can find a video or transcript), state representatives, activists, and ordinary citizens speak up for equality. There was anger, yes, and a tinge of sadness, but hope really seemed to rule the day in each of the speeches, and in the mood of the crowd.

More over the flip.

Thinking back on it, regardless of how Obama feels about gay marriage, his campaign and election definitely infused the entire afternoon with hope. One speaker appropriated Obama’s “Yes we can!” (which Obama himself borrowed from others), and another compared the sight of the First Family-elect walking across the stage on Election Night with the hope that one day, a same-sex couple could make that same walk.  A fellow St. Louis blogger took the stage and told the story of how when she was a young girl, her father used to tell her she could get whatever she happened to be begging for that day “whenever a black man becomes president.”

It wasn’t a banal, “Obama’s president and now we can get whatever we want” kind of hope, either. One speaker called us all community organizers. Practically every speaker mentioned the need to turn this anger and sadness into defiance and action, the hard work of convincing others of the correctness, the justice of our point of view.

Out of all the elected official who made an appearance (which unfortunately did not include Jeanette Mott Oxford, the first openly gay member of the Missouri Legislature), I thought Lewis Reed made the most powerful speech. State Senator Joan Bray gave an impassioned speech that cited Missouri successes in the face of anti-gay sentiment before, and Mayor Francis Slay gave a workmanlike speech that spoke of his commitment to equality, but Lewis Reed, elected last year as the first African-American President of the Board of Alderman in Saint Louis history, managed to meld both the personal effects and the abstract principles of politics. He noted that as a black man married to a white woman, he could have been arrested in some US states 40 years ago, as could have Barack Obama’s parents. And a close friend of his, whose same-sex partner died after 12 years of living together, had to watch as the family of his partner walked into his home, picked up whatever they wanted, including the deed to his house, because the law did not recognize same-sex commitments. Reed went on to quote from our founding documents to illustrate that we are not living up to the ideals on which this country was founded when we deny a class of citizens rights to which all others are granted. Like I said, it was a good speech, and I hope to get a video or a transcript.

All in all, it was strange, yet perhaps fitting, that a rally organized in response to a defeat turned into something of a celebration.

More pics below.

God Hates Shrimp!

Corey feels the appreciation

Ted and the sign

Crowd on the other side of the street

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Crowd on steps

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Los Angeles Marches against Prop H8

As I headed toward downtown Los Angeles this morning on a bus packed with people carrying ‘No on H8 signs’ I felt like a true movement toward equality was  solidifying. Los Angeles in not a city to embrace public transportation, but folks of all shapes and sizes left their cars at home and packed together to raise their voices at L.A.’s ‘Join The Impact’ rally and march. Once we streamed off the bus we flooded into the crowd of thousands of others chanting and carrying signs- in the name of equal rights.

 

I met up with a group of volunteers from the Courage Campaign to help collect signatures to repeal Prop. 8. If you haven’t signed yet, check out the pledge here http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/repealprop8. The pledge was such a hit that one of my clipboards was literally carried away by a crowd of people who kept asking there neighbor to sign-on.

A moving line-up of speakers kicked-off the day.  Mayor Antonio  Villaraigosa helicoptered in leaving the worst fires the city has seen in years to speak with the crowd of 12,000. Reverend Lee from the SCLC who marched with Martin Luther King  gave an amazing speech about how far we’ve come and how far we have to travel for true equal rights. The vibe in the streets was a rare one for LA- it truly felt like a city of neighbors coming together to support one another.   To me, the most amazing stories were the ones told on signs like in the photos below- like those held by a couple who before Prop. 8 passed was scheduled to be married today and the ones two fathers were holding showing images of them and their kids with the words ‘un-marry this.’

 

 

I left today’s march feeling hopeful about marriage equality and the movement growing. We’ve got a lot of  work to do, but awareness and action are building. Hopefully the pictures and the images in this blog convey that for those who weren’t at today’s march. If you were there and you see that clipboard with the Courage Campaign petition that sailed away in the crowd- please send in the signatures to the address listed!

Join the Impact – Seattle

Seattle has our back. Big time. This picture at right is of the huge march down Broadway in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood – the Emerald City’s version of the Castro. A friend in the crowd spoke to someone in Mayor Greg Nickels’ office who estimated over 12,000 people were in this march.

I will have more photos and information up later once my sources get their stuff uploaded and sent to me. The Stranger has some more photos of the march.

Prop 8 is catalyzing a nationwide marriage equality movement. Washington State’s Supreme Court upheld the state’s marriage ban in a shocking 2006 decision widely believed to have been motivated by 3 liberal justices facing well-funded conservative challengers that year (WA elects Supreme Court justices in contested races). But marriage equality advocates have vowed to undo this by, piece by piece, legalizing marriage.

With 2/3 majorities in both houses and Democratic Governor Christine Gregoire winning reelection last week, Democrats in Olympia are now strongly considering overturning the state’s marriage ban (which exists in the law and not the state constitution) as marriage rights activists mobilize in the Evergreen State.

Our opponents may have won the Prop 8 battle but it may prove to have been a pyrrhic victory.

Sacramento: 1,000-2,000 for Joint the Impact Prop 8 Rally

“What do we want?” “Equality!” “When do we want it?” “Now!”

Sacramento Join the Impact rallyThat has been the rallying cry the past few weeks as thousands have gathered in Sacramento, out in the streets, in the public square and in front of the State Capitol.  Today we gathered in Cesar Chavez square right in front of the Sacramento City Hall.  The police I talked to estimated the crowd between 1,000-2,000 people.  It was an absolutely gorgeous day to be outside with our community, in joint action, to speak out against the rights that were taken away from so many Californians on election day.

The rally was one of hundreds of Join the Impact protests planned for today in small towns and big cities across the country.  It was the brainchild of an ordinary activist who thought big, built a platform and watched it explode.

The main organizer of this event was a new local group called Equality Action Now.  They have put together a website and an email list, were selling t-shirts, gathering donations, got the permits and loudspeakers, and coordinated a list of speakers to address the thousands of gay people and their allies.  It is truly incredible to see the work people are putting into organizing in their own communities.  They are not the traditional standard bearers of the equality movement or the large organizations.  These are few people who stood up and decided to be leaders.  They are the strength of this new movement for equality.

Sacramento Join the Impact rallyThese local, impassioned and empowered new organizers and leaders are the reason why the next time marriage equality is on the ballot we will win.  We have all felt the taste of defeat and the pain of having our rights taken away.  All of us can and must do more than we did this past time.

For those who haven’t been to one of these rallies, I will try and explain the emotions being there, especially as a gay woman.  At first it is a thrill to see so many people, people you didn’t know existed, gathering today for the same purpose.  Then you feel a sense of power being amongst the crowds, the unity of purpose, the strength in numbers.  But then sadness starts to creep in and the pain of realizing what transpired to make this happen.  It is emotional and tough to stand there and chant for rights you once had and chant against your fellow Californians who voted to take away those rights from you.

Today, I ended up leaving before the march around the Capitol, because it was too hard on my girlfriend to be there, sharing an intimate pain in such a public manner.  This is still raw, still painful.  It will always be emotional, but the anguish should fade.  Hopefully, the energy will not.  We need all of the people rallying together across the state and country to put in the hard work to repeal Prop 8.

More about the rally on the flip, including pictures…

Freddie Oakley, Yolo County RegistrarFreddie Oakley, the Yolo County Registrar, was a bit nervous addressing the crowd.  It was the largest one she had ever addressed, but she did a great job.  She delighted in telling us the story of her getting kicked out of her church.  You see for the past few Valentines days, same-sex couples have come into her office requesting marriage licenses.  While she could not grant them, she would issue a statement regretting the lack of equality.  Evidently, this motivated a few people to protest in front of her church.  Her pastor eventually asked her to resign, which she was more than happy to do.  Why would she want to be affiliated with a church that so sharply conflicted with her own values?

My favorite sign was held by a soldier in desert cammos: “I fought for EVERYBODY’S Freedom and Happiness!!!”.

Unfortunately, there were a few people across the street with very large signs telling us “A Moral Wrong Cannot Be a Civil Right”.  Anybody with an opposing view who wants to chime in below?  The detractors had a few kids holding up signs.  There were perhaps a dozen people over there, and it was about half black and half white.

The local Fox and NBC affiliates had cameras wandering around, and I saw a few other print media interviewing rally attendees, so there is bound to be some press coverage.

Soldier at Sacramento Join the Impact RallyI have a few more pictures from today up on my flickr No on 8 photoset.

Nationalizing Prop 8: Chicago Join The Impact Protest

Also at MyDD

Today, all over the country, Join The Impact organized rallies to protest the passage of Proposition 8. We in California saw Prop 8 awaken a sleeping giant as thousands of people gathered, seemingly spontaneously, all over the state in the wake of the news that it had passed. It was an amazing sight but little did we know that that truly was just the beginning. A national people-powered marriage equality movement seems to have sprouted up virtually overnight.

As I’m in here in the Chicago suburbs for a friend’s wedding (no, I wasn’t invited by Barack…) I went into town to check out the Chicago Join The Impact protest at Federal Plaza. The Facebook event had more than 3200 RSVPs and there had to be twice that many people there today. At one point, I heard an announcement that the police were extending the area where people were permitted to stand; this place was bursting at the seams.

It was an extremely moving event because it was clear that I was witnessing nothing less than the birth of our generation’s civil rights movement. Sign after sign said it all: “gay rights are civil rights.” As a Californian too, it was fascinating to see so many people in Illinois rise up against what my fellow citizens did on November 4th. Someone was even holding a No on Prop 8 sign re-jiggered to read “Vote No On Pro-H8.” There was a distinct “We are all Californians now” vibe to the whole thing but I think also that this national movement might not have sprung up if it had been any other state. People think of California not only as a bastion of liberalism but also as a bellwether for the rest of the country. They see gay marriage go down in California, for many, it is a sign that it could mean the end of gay marriage everywhere else, before it’s even begun.

The passion in the voices of the speakers was moving as well. One of the organizers of the event stood up and expressed great frustration with Illinois Democrats at not having passed a marriage equality bill, not even a civil unions bill. “There is no state bluer than Illinois! There is no excuse!” I expect we’ll see pressure all over the country for state legislatures to pass marriage equality legislation and if we don’t, we should. He also acknowledged the importance that this movement not end today, which is a really important point. “We’re not just blowing off steam here today, as good as that feels. This needs to continue!” In Chicago, the next action will be next Saturday outside the Century Theatre in Evanston, IL to protest the fact that Cinemark CEO Alan Stock donated $10,000 to Prop 8. Considering the intensity on display at the protest today, I suspect Stock is going to deeply regret that donation.

One man stood up and confessed that despite being a gay man, he wasn’t really on board with gay marriage until recently. What did it for him: Keith Olbermann’s special comment the other night. Another activist read from a well-written script and at a certain point was like “OK, I have to put this down. It’s a beautiful speech but I have to speak to you from my heart” and he went on to speak personally and passionately about his refusal to allow his country to treat him as a second class citizen. “Not anymore! Not anymore!”

All over downtown Chicago there were banners on lampposts congratulating “Chicago’s own Barack Obama” and it seemed rather appropriate that this protest should be surrounded by these banners. As Barack has said throughout his campaign for the presidency, “this is not about me, this is about you…change can only come if you demand it…change doesn’t come from the top down, it comes from the bottom up.” President-elect Obama may not be in favor of marriage equality as a policy, but the spirit of our first community organizer president was there at Federal Plaza today.

This has only just begun…

Join the Impact San Diego

full disclosure: I work for the Courage Campaign

Police expected 5,000 people today for San Diego’s Join the Impact march against Prop 8. Police are currently estimating 20,000 marchers turned out in support of equality (link will also lead to some cool pics and video). Organizers upped their estimate early this morning to 25,000 and they’re sticking with that number. Either way, it doubles last week’s 10K strong San Diego march.

I arrived at the jumping off point at the appointed 10am hour. There were thousands of people spread throughout Balboa Park- old and young, gay and straight, male and female, all races and ethnicities. Some were alone, some came with families, some with groups of friends. It took about 30 minutes to get things organized, in part probably because of people like me who were working the crowd as much as possible. And I’ll tell you how I knew right away that this was a really big deal: While I’m sure many were there, I didn’t see a single person I know from political activism. But I saw people I knew from my neighborhood, from bars, from sports, from music, from church. In other words, this wasn’t the same old political demonstration with the same old faces. This was everyone who normally don’t obsess about politics. People who normally may not even be out of bed at 10am on a Saturday much less marching for miles in the 85 degree heat. This wasn’t politics, this was a movement.

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I was very careful to pack my trusty Flip Video, and I got some shaky clips of the beginning of the march (above) and the pivot from 6th Avenue to Broadway (right). The march ran a three mile course south on 6th Avenue along Balboa Park, west through downtown on Broadway, and up Pacific Highway past the Star of India before culminating at the County Administration Building (where marriage licenses are issued). Gloria Allred, city councilman-elect Todd Gloria and reps from the ACLU, Equality California and the Human Rights campaign were on the docket for the rally between the building and the bay.

Chant sheets were everywhere and the chants rarely stopped. The homemade signs were plentiful and ran the gamut from Lincoln to Hitler and Chickens to Satan. I was pleasantly impressed though by the VAST majority of people embracing the positive messaging. People get that this is about love, acceptance and equality. And that abandoning that is to let agents of intolerance win.

The only arrest reported at this point was a member of the Minutemen. Which is a nice juxtaposition to the experience of marching through downtown. Cars honked in solidarity, people cheered from balconies and streamed out of offices and hotels to root us on and give high-fives. In the course of 3 downtown miles, I spotted maybe 7 Yes on 8 folks. Organizers kept people reasonably well behaved, and nothing advanced beyond an occasionally aggressive air horn. Heck, the handful of unattended Yes signs we passed had police attendants.

This is just one of the first reports to come today. There are more than 300 events scheduled throughout the state and across the country. And I said to a friend who marched with me, “You will not be able to stay home brother.



Because…people will be in the street looking for a brighter day.



The revolution will be live.”

Son of Prominent Yes on 8 Leader Quits Mormon Church Over Prop 8

Matthew Lawrence, 28, of Santa Ana, California is just one of approximately 500 people who have contacted Signing for Something ( http://www.signingforsomething… )in the last few days to announce his resignation from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because of the Mormon Church’s handling of and involvement in the gay marriage issue.  Matthew is gay and is the son of Gary Lawrence, 67, who is the “State LDS Grassroots Director” for the state of California.  (See http://yesonprop8.blogspot.com… ).

Matthew Lawrence, in an e-mail interview with this diarist, said that although he is “extremely upset and frustrated” with his family and that he has “cut off communication with them,” that “at the end of the day, I do love them.”  The elder Lawrence was also the Mormon Church’s point man for the Prop 22 campaign in 2000.  Matt says, “I love my family so much, but it’s hard to not take this personally.  We had a brief falling-out over Prop. 22, but that got mended.  But two anti-gay initiatives in eight years, it’s impossible not to feel attacked.”

Matthew was particularly hurt when “my father said that opponents of Prop. 8 are akin to Lucifer’s followers in the pre-existence.”  (Printed in Meridian Magazine online, and reported in the Salt Lake Tribune http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_… and other newspapers). Matthew’s plea to his father and others is “We can all agree to disagree and respect each other’s informed opinions and decisions, but don’t put me and Satan in the same sentence please.”

“This issue isn’t about gay marriage,” writes Matthew. ” This is about certain religious factions that believe homosexuality is disgusting, immoral and wrong and needs to be stamped out. . . .  It’s a problem to be ‘fixed.'” Matthew writes that his family sent him to multiple counselors during his youth, and even sent him to live with relatives in Utah which he writes was an attempt to “straighten me out” by living with what he describes as “homophobic cousins.”  He said while in Utah it wasn’t unusual for his cousin to call him a “faggot” at school and that his “aunt and uncle did nothing to discourage his behavior.”

Matthew is at least a third or fourth generation Mormon, and said that even after he stopped attending church (about the time of his return from exile to Utah) that “I even found myself defending the church for years and trying to dispel the notions that polygamy was still practiced or any of the other misconceptions. And deep inside, I still believe certain truisms that can be found in nearly any religion, such as treating our earthly brothers and sisters with love and respect.”

Gary Lawrence served as a Mormon bishop while Matthew was a child, and is the President of Lawrence Research, http://www.zoominfo.com/Search… .  Matthew said that from his father he learned “the value of hard work and not making excuses. My father has worked hard his entire life and has done whatever it takes to provide for his family. He truly was a loving husband to my mother, which is why it saddens me he would work to deny others the same happiness that his family provided for him.”

Matthew says that about 95 percent of his family supported Proposition 8, but that “a few cousins that are strongly opposed to this Proposition and have let me know that they support and love me” and have insisted “that they get a wedding invitation if I ever marry in the future.”

But, as for his father, Matthew says, “My dad keeps telling me it’s not too late to ‘change.'”

Below are comments from other Mormons who have finally decided to give up on their church, and have their names purged from the rolls:

I have great love and affection for the members of the LDS Church, in particular the members of XXX Ward. I want to thank you and acknowledge all of the love and support that has been shown to me over the years. I truly appreciate it.

I am now requesting that you remove my name from the membership of the LDS Church. While it saddens me to do so, I can no longer be a member, even in name only, of a church that seeks to deny people the benefits of marriage. The LDS Church has been active in the fight to deny homosexuals the right to marry in the state of California and elsewhere and it deeply disturbs me that the LDS Church is using church funds and member’s tithing to support this hateful campaign. Even though I am not homosexual, I can no longer have my name associated with an organization that seeks to deny people a basic human right. This issue is not a religious issue, it is a human rights issue and the church should stay out of politics and instead focus on supporting the thousands of members of the LDS Church whose marriages are in danger.

Please discontinue my membership. . . .  Read more of this letter at: http://signingforsomething.org…

My family is one of the oldest Mormon families in Utah – one of my great-great-uncles actually drove Brigham Young’s wagon part of the way on the trek to Utah. . . . . I always considered myself culturally Mormon, due to my historical family connections with the Church. Now, I’m not so sure that I can even keep that bond. From our history, Mormons should know all about religious persecution – and look what the Church is doing now! Persecuting people just like Mormons were persecuted over 150 years ago! Jesus would be ashamed.  Read more of this letter at: http://signingforsomething.org…

I have thought about this a great deal, and I cannot in good conscience be affiliated with any organization that would use its resources to strip a minority group of its civil rights. Having been raised a Mormon since birth, my family has instilled in me a truly Christian sense of ethics and morals. This religiously motivated attack is profoundly immoral and is in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus Christ – love, compassion, freedom, unity, inclusion, and equality.  Read more of this letter at: http://signingforsomething.org…

I consider Propsition 8 to be contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ and no longer wish to have my name associated with the LDS church in any way, shape or form.

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matthew 25:40

These things I command you, that ye love one another. John 15:17

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Galatians 5:14  Read more of this letter at: http://signingforsomething.org…

I’m disappointed and ashamed to be a member of this church right now. . . . I wish I could understand, in any rational sense, the reasons a Christian would want to deny an entire group of people something that they themselves hold so dear. My Mormon upbringing always taught me that the things I value most in my life ought to be shared. . . . I couldn’t feel more disappointment and distance from those who fought so hard to pass this amendment. And why are they standing quietly by as families around the world are torn apart by poverty, war, famine, environmental injustices, AIDS, or any number of social and political issues that seem so much larger and truly threatening to families? This isn’t a version of Christianity I recognize or want to be a part of.  Read more of this letter: http://signingforsomething.org…

[W]ith the church’s recent involvement in the passage of Prop. 8, I felt that now was truly the time to resign . . . . And now it looks like most of my immediate family feels the same way . . . . my personal involvement with the church of today is through, and not a moment too soon.  Read more of this letter at: http://signingforsomething.org…

There are dozens more resignation letters, and hundreds more letters from Mormons stating their opposition to the Mormon Church’s position available at: http://www.signingforsomething…  These voices need to be heard.

EMERGENCY: Prop 8 Press conference in Santa Ana today! Near CDP E-Board meeting!

(If you are going to the CDP E-board, check out this counter-protest to support marriage equality. – promoted by Brian Leubitz)

Today at NOON the Mormons are holding an urgent Prop 8 Press Conference in the main ballroom of the Doubletree Hotel in Santa Ana, at 201 E. Macarthur Blvd. We MUST be there in front of the hotel to greet them peacefully and get our own press coverage.



This is very near the location of the CDP e-board meeting. If you’ll be there early, please find your way over to the Doubletree!
The Doubletree Hotel is located 0.2 miles along Macarthur Blvd. NW of the 55 freeway, and 300 feet from S. Main St., near Imperial Promenade. Map here

They are asking their “Yes” supporters to bring their “Yes on Prop 8” signs and want to have 250 people in attendance with signs of any kind. We MUST have equivalent press coverage, so it is ESSENTIAL that we be in front of the hotel with our signs, representing the righteous.

Their pitch will most likely be their right to pass whatever laws they want as well as their First Amendment Rights. They want all nationalities and faith groups represented (even the Tongan Mormons!) They are upset over the display of intolerance they have been experiencing the past week and want the media to know that.

Thursday Open Thread: Mark Leno on Prop 8

• Assemblyman (soon to be Senator) Mark Leno takes on a Liberty Council wingnut on marriage equality.  And I think you’ll agree with me that the Assemblyman is the winner here.

Asm. Dave Jones announced that he’ll seek the post of insurance commissioner, the one statewide office that the Republicans currently hold. Good, we need somebody who’s focused on that position, and not posturing for the Republican primary. Jones is a smart guy, and would do a good job.  It will be interesting to see if there are others angling for the gig.

George Skelton sees a mandate in a 4 tenths point victory for Prop 11. You know, I just can’t beat my head against this wall any more.  The so-called reformers have no, I repeat ZERO, evidence that this will make any additional districts competitive. If this wins, perhaps one or two more districts become competitive, but the underlying demographics do not bear this out.  Skelton claims he wants “geographically logical and competitive districts”.  Well guess what, I want my tree to give me lumber and apples. (Read the Giving Tree). You have one, or you have the other.  

In California, we have self-sorted along political lines. Add that to the fact that California is trending toward greater control for the majority party, and you don’t have the recipe for a lot of newly competive seats, save the regions where the GOP seats are already trending Dem.  

And crowned with his big success of helping Prop 11 to victory, he’s already pumping up the big Washington state style “Top 2” election, as if that will somehow be terrific.  Great more opportunities for moneyed interests to dominate.

Listen, George, you want real reform? It’s called Clean Money.  That’s the REAL reform that we need.

• Do Republicans even bother with lipservice to representative democracy anymore? Or are we totally over that in favor of putting everything to the ballot. Or perhaps better defined, they are just simply obsessed with the government employees unions. Why must the OC voters now approve government employee contracts? Because the Republicans are all about a new PR stunt to go after dedicated civil servants. Sad.

• I don’t know what to make of this, but a senior aide to Barbara Boxer is facing child pornography charges.  Jeff Rosato has been fired.

• AmericaBlog has a scalp to show for its efforts to pressure Yes on Prop 8 donors. Scott Eckern, a Mormon who donated to Yes on 8, resigned today from the Sacramento based California Musical Theater.

UPDATE by Robert: Major fire breaks out in Santa Barbara – threatening Westmont College and cutting power to most of downtown. These unseasonably warm November temperatures do have their cost.